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One of often used deflections used by defenders of a suspicious scheme is "you can't judge us unless you're with us". It usually takes this form.
A: Acme XYZ is a scam because ____, ____, and ____.
B: How can you judge Acme XYZ if you're not even in it? You don't know the truth!
As the answer is unrelated to the
premise (it neither disprove the premise nor prove the counter-premise) it is a
red herring. Though it "sounds" like a
valid argument, until you look at it a bit closer.
This deflection attempts to examine A's 'qualifications', completely ignoring the facts and/or logic presented, and proposes a reason to discount A's premise without examining the premise itself, simply due to A's qualifications (or lack of).
NOTE: This argument is VERY similar in tone with
its cousin, the "you're not in it" fallacy. However, this one invokes "appeal to lack of authority" (you have no right to judge us) instead of "appeal to lack of anecdotal evidence" (you don't have direct evidence to judge us). The two are VERY close in both argument and tone.
However, even this alleged "lack of qualification" is in itself fallacious, because it can be restated as follows:
a) you have to be in a scheme to judge it
b) "B" is not in the scheme
therefore
c) "B" is not qualified to judge the scheme
Why would any one have to be IN the scheme to judge it? Are movie critics part of
Hollywood movie studios? No! Are judges part of criminal underworld? No! Thus, the whole thing is a logical fallacy as well as a red herring.