Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Herb O. Buckland and his long rant "ZeekRewards Scam?"

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I've done rant analysis before, but few as long and pointless as this one, IMHO of course.

Herb O. Buckland has a website called Threesology, where everything is "power of 3", including recruiting for ZeekRewards.

I'll put his words in blue, and my comments in RED.



Zeek Rewards Scam?

My examples of "threes" used by Zeek Rewards should be followed-up with commentary that should be taken into consideration since I have placed myself in a vulnerable position of advocating its activity, to some degree, by eliciting readers to join me. Please understand that the undertaking is meant as a forthright presentation and must therefore be likewise presented with any counter considerations. Hence, the following is presented in this light.

So in other words, "I told you to follow me, but you don't have to?" Isn't what weasel talk?  What counter-considerations are you referring to? 

Is Zeek Rewards a scam? I don't know. 

So are you going to argue one way or the other? Or is that more weasel talk?

Some think that the possibility of acquiring a million dollars in two years is a scam presentation made by some Zeek Rewards modelers; yet these same people may not think that the offer of a Heaven (or Nirvana) by religion is a scam that people are literally persuaded into buying as a bonafide tangible product. 

Two conjectures (note the use of the word "may") doesn't make a fact. 

These same people may not see many of the government programs as a scam... Since if people actually knew the cost and return ratio of many idealized government programs, they would toss them out.

Arguing generic hypothetical scenarios also doesn't make a fact (at least without any more logic and evidence). 

I have read some of the remarks made by those who are against Zeek Rewards. 

And they are?

If it is a scam then take your evidence to the appropriate authority and file a law suit. 

So which way *are* you arguing? By your tone it's clear you are saying it's NOT a scam, but you haven't presented ANY BIT supporting your case yet. 

Or could it be that the presence of Zeek Rewards is merely providing a medium for pent up unresolved frustrations in other arenas of personal adventure? 

Ad hominem red herring fallacy: attributing motives to critics, instead of addressing the question itself. 

If you want to argue about the usage of the word "investment," you should understand that governments, religions and education system adopt this economic language when attempting to persuade people to provide funding. "Invest in your soul's future." "Invest in the future of the country." Invest in your child's future." etc... If a ruling elite (regardless of institution) can persuade you to believe that their definition of "investment" is the correct one, then you feel comforted by the act of giving money to them; whether or not you receive any personal tangible return. It doesn't matter so long as you believe your money is well spent.

There is one very specific definition called "Howey Test", which this guy either doesn't know or doesn't care. He wants to define "investment" as whatever he wants. Enough said. 

State lotteries are a scam. Millions of dollars are wasted on lotteries. But every single person opting to buy a lottery ticket thing the "might" have a chance to win more than what they put into the "pot." The pot is made of a portion (a percentage) of all the money taken in. 

State Lotteries are passed by law by your legislators you elected. They fund education. As you said, if you think state lotteries are a scam, go complain to the authorities. Take your own advice, sheesh.  See what I mean by weasel talk? 

Many television, radio and printed advertizements are scams. Some align their products with sex, civic duty, children, sympathy, health issues, youthfulness, etc., to try to persuade you to give them your money, your energy and time, or your life. 

Propaganda, such as ads, are designed to change your mind about something. And so is your long rant about ZeekRewards. Is your article a scam then, by your own definition? 

Some scams, like religion, have become so embedded in culture that people can't recognize them for what they are... because much of the public is brought up from an early age to emotionalize and rationalize an acceptance thereof; regardless of which religious "flavor" one chooses as their so-called "true" religion. Religion has forced the public into accepting it as a type of symbiotic organism, when it is actually nothing more that a bacterial and viral infection. Please understand I explicitly said religion and not the concept of a creator (that many refer to as God) or personal values embraced by the word morality. For me, morality and the creator concept are quite distinct from religion. Religions try to claim ownership so that it can be idealized as something more than it is.

Long rant about religion is irrelevant. You're supposed to be discussing ZeekRewards! And you can't even find a proper definition of "scam"!

It doesn't matter how many millions of people believe one way or another in a a religions philosophy; those millions of people could very well be wrong even though they continue to help sustain the presence of a religion. Just because a religion-enterprise builds hundreds of churches, temples or whatever, this doesn't make it any more true. It is simply a reflection of the underlying ego posturing of the religious elite. You should not be impressed. The same goes for governments and businesses. All of them.

So there are "non-believers" in everything. So? 

 Every single one of them has some element of incredulity when looked at closely enough. Zeek Rewards is no different. It has its own characteristics that raises one's eyebrows and promotes suspiciousness.

For example:

Why is the gained percentage paid to affiliates higher on the weekdays than the weekends? Instead of simply saying this is a cause for alarm to justify one's personal eagerness to disparage Zeek Rewards, we should be asking if this is a common theme amongst all, some, or most Penny Auction sites. Most people want rational and not irrationally defined reasons. What do the differences indicate in terms of a business model instead of mere foaming-at-the-mouth emotional outbursts? Are there demographic differences of operational methodology that need to be adjusted to? Are the larger percentages a reflection of the other business ventures' increased activity, whereas the graphed activity of Penny auction sites is plotted differentially in and of themselves? In other words, a percentage based on a "pooled" source of revenue from a variety of a company's ventures may not only show weekend/weekday fluctuations, but also seasonal/demographic state-of-the-economy variabilities that all companies (including religions, governments, charities, arts programs, etc.,) must contend with.

So in other words, you don't know why weekdays have higher RPP than weekends. Couldn't you have just said "I don't know"? You offered all blah-blah that doesn't answer the question. 

Why aren't there lots Zeek Rewards millionaires if a person can become one? Simply put, let's say it takes approximately two years for a given person to make a million dollars. 

Why two years? That's making 42K a MONTH, or more than 12 times what normal people make. Is that a realistic goal? Or are you just making up these numbers? Are you REALLY talking about ZeekRewards? 

It is reasonable to conjecture that a company which has only been in operation for a year (or slightly more) would not have produced any. 

Whether it made millionaires or not has nothing to do with whether it's a scam or not. The question was irrelevant, and answering the question is even MORE irrelevant. The guy simply answered the WRONG QUESTION. 

Besides, most people appear not to be concerned with going into Zeek Rewards to become a millionaire. This is not their primary objective. 

Can you prove that observation? Probably not. So why make it? 

They will make a little and take a little, thus reducing their "account" and increasing the time required to achieve this end. However, it appears that being a millionaires does not appear to be a long term goal for many members. Peoples lives are experiencing economic hardships now, and need money now. Most people are not stupid. They know that placing money into any new business model is risky. Hence, their eagerness to withdraw money at their first opportunity to "test" the system for supplying them with a return. People don't mind involving themselves in something that is risky, so long as they don't look foolish —to themselves— for purchasing something that makes them feel stupid... such as when buying something from a flea-market or discount store vendor that turns out to be worthless, and with a no money back guarantee attached.

Long rant that answered the wrong question would still be irrelevant. 

On the one hand it is, but on the other, you're not supposed to say the word "Investment" in the same sentence with the words "Zeek Rewards." Whereas religions can say that you are investing in your soul's future by paying tithing for passage into heaven or paying your "fire insurance" (to stay out of Hell), and the government can claim that the citizenry are investing in the future of "their" country (yet we don't have THE referendum nor have a peoples legislative branch, must abide by a stupid electoral college voting methodology for the President, Supreme Court Justices are politically appointed, etc...), Zeek Rewards can't use it because so-called "legitimate" Corporate businesses want you to believe they own the word. The word "investment" is being used by "person-hood" Corporations (like "God" is for religions), as a feather-in-one's-cap distinction exclusively entitling them to garner the largest and juiciest portions of the cash cow public and leave the rest for inferred suspect business models.

Bullsh__. ZeekRewards don't want you to say Investment because the SEC will go after them if you do. All this "imagined" reasons is pure bullsh__. 

Here is a list of previously suspect business models:
Imagine someone wanting to start a business (called radio broadcasting) of sending human voices across the air! Don't they know you can do the same thing with a megaphone?
Imagine someone wanting to start a business of building a contraption called the automobile. Don't they know that the horse and wagon are here to stay?
Imagine someone believing they can cut trees faster with a power saw! Don't they understand the axe and a good team of horses is all you need?

More irrelevant bullsh__

All businesses, governments, religions, sports and sciences have suspect activities. Anywhere there's money, suspicions of swindling arise. Scams are rampant, but most are overlooked as commonplace occurrences due to the nature of humans interacting with one another. Some are ignored through various justifications and socially accepted allowances, such as a child providing their reasons for spending money on an item that an adult might think is frivolous. We all appear to get taken in by one or another scam at some time or another. While this may not make us feel any better, it does keep us from feeling worse.

More irrelevant generalization bullsh__ that explains everything EXCEPT ZeekRewards. It's basically calling many human activities "scam". 

Yet it should be understood that this is not a discussion about politics nor religions... it is about economics, unless current "polite" social adherences do not permitted the usage of words such as government, politics or for that matter, religion, in economics discussions. Like anyone else, I too can use semantics to define the syllogistic-styled criteria by which comments are to be construed. Zeek Rewards is a business model operating within the confines of a government structure interspersed with religious orientations. Imagine being able to discuss apples, oranges and lemons but not permitted to say the words fruit, trees, orchards, harvest, apple pie, orange juice, or lemonade, etc...

This guy is professing his ignorance about SEC, FTC, and government regulations. More irrelevant bullsh__

But, whoops, did I say "investment"??? Shame on me. Everyone knows such a word has been relegated to such "legitimate" enterprises as, for example, the Social Security Invest-in-your-earned-future language, irrespective of how much the public has been conned out of its hard earned money to fund other programs and provide money for those who have never worked a day in their life. It has even been adopted by religions seeking to capitalize on the bought and paid for marketing inferences generated by corporations that dabble in "colorful" semantics as a means of manipulating the public out of its money. Because present laws are being written by those whose campaigns are bought and paid for by the Corporate elites, the word "investment" can only be used by them as a means to try to legitimize their efforts at manipulating the public... all others must not be able to use such a word and gain an economic advantage. The public must be protected by all "law abiding corporations" who know best how to interpret and define appropriate marketplace language. (They abide by the law alright. A set of laws that reek of anti-job, anti-social, and anti-citizenry... except for them and theirs.) This includes religious and political leaders... since they are well practiced in the con game, simply because they actually believe in their own duplicity! They've caught to be able to keep the public in check... all for "our own good." (Or else they'll manipulate social circumstances to force the public to abide by their views... no matter what gets destroyed or who gets hurt.)

More irrelevant bullsh__ rant that smells of anti-government propaganda. FTC and SEC's job is to protect the public FROM scams (and evil corps, such as "trusts", go read FTC's history some time)

Several discussions involving Zeek Rewards revolves around a bunch of idiotic commentary involving the usage of the word "investment." Religions use various forms of "encouragement" to get people to pay tithing as an "investment" in some hoped-for, wished-for, dreamed-of after-life that is far from being "tangible" by any stretch of the imagination; though "tangibility" is frequently cited as a defining characteristic of what is or is not a bonafide "investment". Governments do the same thing with taxes. For example, taxes paid on land is a lease agreement. You don't own the land. This is an illusion. If you stop paying on the lease agreement, you lose "your ownership". Sometimes governments use wars to "encourage" the public to pay taxes so it can invest in the future... as it is defined by the ruling party or Corporate psychotics. And all of us engage in various forms of "investment" whether we buy a DVD, piece of clothing, go to a Broadway show, pay to get into a theme park, pay to ride public transportation, buy a food supplement, newspaper, etc., or "buy into" the need for some added insurance scam being perpetrated by the electronics industries for supposedly state-of-the-art brand new "tangible" articles.

Now this is going into "word persecution", More irrelevant bullsh__

When the word "investment" is being used to defraud the public by anyone (like many religions and governments have practiced), they should be held accountable. However, such institutions regularly utilize the disclaimers of bought and paid for personalized laws accentuated with phrases such as "majority belief," "wide-spread acceptance," "common understanding," and a whole bunch of other malarky, to defend themselves against anyone who has the audacity of saying that the King is not wearing any clothes. So, are Penny Auctions an investment? They can be. But not for those companies (or individuals) who are whining about lost revenues (such as losing at a particular Penny auction) and want to cast an ominous shadow over them. Auctions have been around far longer than any of us alive today. Penny auctions are just a present day flavor of an old theme. Imagine if Penny auctions were instead called lotteries and were run by State Governments who try to legitimize the acceptance of such in the eyes of the public by claiming a certain percentage is provided to education.

More anti-government bullsh__ is showing through. Everything government and big corp does is a conspiracy to scam you, blah blah blah. You have yet to talk about ZeekRewards one bit except through fallacies and opinions. 

Is Zeek Rewards an investment? It can be. It all depends on your non-corporate owned definition. You can abide by the language being used by Corporate-funded laws to support their own efforts to con you out of your money, or you can alter the word "Investment" to such things as "fiscal adventure," "financial exploration," "fiduciary expedition," etc... Let's try these on for size:

Zeek Rewards: The Financial Exploration of a lifetime.
Zeek Rewards: The Fiscal Adventure of a lifetime.
Zeek Rewards: The Fiduciary Expedition of a lifetime.

And for any of you would-be plagarists, I hereby copyright and register and patent, trademark, proclaim, announce, stamp, engrave, carve, embed, embody, embrace, etc... sole ownership to these three phrases. (Even though I can't claim ownership to the "Zeek Rewards" expression.)

Again, reveling in the ignorance of the Howey Test makes the whole rant "appeal to ignorance" fallacy. 

Is Zeek Rewards run by a group of 1%ers with an egregiously self-centered, non-altruistic motive to accumulate more wealth by nickel and dime-ing a portion of the public who seek to enhance their meager earnings; and then head for some hole-in-the-wall lair protected by an assortment of two-legged legal hounds (getting their cut of ill-gotten gains) who will redefine their applied intent to defraud the public by presenting a jargonized double-speak plan? Or is the portion of the public who "adventure" into the domain of Zeek Rewards a bunch of smooth talking con artists who want to swindle money out of Zeek Rewards by exploiting little known loop-holed weaknesses in the business model? Have those who have joined and remained in Zeek Rewards concealing a secret from the larger public so that the larger take doesn't have to be shared?

Are you posing questions or answering them? Are you even asking the right questions? 

Skepticism can be a healthy adjunct to one's tool chest array of concept formation. But being skeptical is one thing, while being negative without applying any deductive reasoning to some level of analysis is another. However, it is one thing to exam something from the outside in, yet quite another to do so from the inside out. Yet, this is not why I joined Zeek Rewards. I did so three months after some friends of mine entered into what they were trying to describe as an alternative means of acquiring some income assistance (such is one of many different verbal tap dance routines used in trying to avoid the word "investment" as is legally defined within the context of a business enterprise.) Granted, any internet (or non-internet) venture can be risky, like putting money into a slot machine at a casino, but I decided to give this type of roulette wheel a whirl. They were making money and having some measure of interactive enjoyment all the while I sought out the pros and cons of the company by way of the few internet sources I could find. I read the company's self-promotions and those whose comments were attempting to be stretched into describing Zeek Rewards as an apocalyptic type of black hole everyone should avoid as if the sky is falling or "God will punish you if you don't do what I say." Let me also add that during the moments of writing the present comments, I too am making money and learning a bit more about this form of multi-level marketing that I might never have considered if it weren't for Zeek Rewards. I am thankful for this unique opportunity in which:

So in other words, you are perpetuating the "it paid me" excuse. Clearly, you never heard of Bernie Madoff either. He paid people for 20 years. 

A few Zeek Rewards Dos and Don'ts

I do not have to purchase, per se, any products to re-sell such as cosmetics, plastic bowls, or other types of household goods. (What can be particularly infuriating is to have what you ordered not sent to you because the item is back-ordered and instead: you receive something you didn't order and have no desire for but the company wants you to sell something they've newly created; help them get rid of an over-stocked inventory item with questionable value but they spent millions on in the development and packaging thereof; or/and make money off of your purchase whether or not you can resell the item to naive customers. In other words, the company is scamming you.)

I do not have to register myself with any neighborhood law enforcement in order to pedal wares door to door.
I do not have to make any unsolicited (cold) calls to strangers asking if they might be interested in a certain product (only to be subsequently hung up on or cussed at).
I do not have to gamble by participating in any Penny Auction. (It's my choice.)
I do not have to pay taxes on percentages earned, until I make an actual withdrawal. (Wait for 90 days then take out 20% of each day's earnings until you've regained what you put into it and let the remaining gain more money for you.)

So where is the money coming from, if you don't sell something? What work are you doing?

Not to mention you *have* to pay taxes on EVERY BIT of RPP you earned, whether you repurchased bids with them or not. You may be able to deduct the repurchases as expenses, but that would be YOUR OWN PROBLEM. You clearly don't understand the tax implications. 


I do have to place a single pre-scripted advertizement (not two, three, or more) on at least one pre-selected free advertizement internet site per day, if I want to acquire a daily given percentage for this simple marketing effort. (Even though other advertizing options are available and acceptable. But you are asked not to place an ad on Craig's list. But if you know how to place an ad on Craig's list, placing an ad for Zeek-Rewards will be a breeze for you.)

Are you sure about this, since there are many rumors that craigslist have banned Zeek ads? 

 I do have to keep my mouth shut about the company to my friends and neighbors unless I want them to join and thus subsequently be awarded a percentage by the company for my marketing effort... and they in turn earn an award percentage for those that follow suit. No less, I could tell them they can purchase bids for a penny auction (in which they could win a desired item for "pennies on the dollar"), or download the free shopping assistant called the "shopping daisy" that would have greater appeal to men if it were less (old maid-ish) effeminate and named the shopping guru (for the New Age intellectuals) or "shoppin'ator" (for those of us who can still impress the women by flexing a bicep,) which would give it an immortal masculine aura. Yet, even many females (be they Amazonian types or not,) would prefer to have a shopping companion called Hera or even Aphrodite, but not Daisy. The name Daisy evokes images of Hee Haws' Minnie Pearl,Mayberry's Aunt Bee and The Beverly Hillbillies' Mrs. Drysdale. (Yes, I know I'm exposing my age when I use these examples.)
I do have to keep from incessantly telling everyone about Zeek Rewards or I will be called a "Zeek" instead of a Jack of Many Trades Mr. Fix-it Geek.

So are you recruiting customers (who buy bids for themselves to use in auctions), or affiliates (who buy bids to giveaway to get RPP)? 

For purposes of comparison, here is a link to a Shopping Daisy page:

--- Shopping Daisy ---

Terminator image source:

--- Eurocritics Magazine ---

Typically, as any law enforcement service will tell you, if something sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Nine times out of ten this is the case, as most of us know without the need for examples to be given, but I will anyway:

Blah blah blah blah blah, nothing to do with ZeekReward. 

Imagine! A government Of, By and For the people... who can actually vote on all issues and have the results become law. Instead, most people are forced to comply with laws they had no hand in formulating nor ratifying through a referendum and must rely on the opinions of those whose vote for or against is measured by how much influence they have received via campaign contributions. It is a system that neither respects, nor promotes, nor upholds the will of ALL the collective people. This is why America's government is being viewed as a Plutocracy and not a Democracy, because the government is controlled not by the people but by a few selective individuals with huge amounts of money and who could careless about the people unless they make a dollar... and then some.
Imagine! An actual place called Heaven or a State of Bliss called Nirvana. Irrespective of one's personal convictions regarding such beliefs, there is not but emotionalism and rationalization to "prove" the existence thereof. Nonetheless, whether you believe in religion, a heaven or similar state of after-the-fact existence, or God, these should not be used to describe, define nor deter one's application of morality. Morality is reality, the others are conglomerates of supposition.
Imagine! A society with health care practitioners that uphold the Hippocratic oath of healing "Without fee or written promise." (Health care costs... which includes Dentistry... are so exorbitant because there is no existing market force to ensure lower rates based on a "competition" capitalistic model. All health care professionals are practicing a wide-spread form of collusion because there is no anti-trust law in place which cogently and comprehensively addresses the issue.)... And despite all their wealth, most health care providers do not think of themselves as being rich. Yet, they also do not then consider those that have minuscule amounts of money in comparison to their own as being poor. They live by a different set of values that obscures their ability to recognize the hypocrisy of their perspective.
Imagine! Americans being able to vote a President into office according to the dictates of individual voters instead of subverting popular opinion by way of an electoral college that does not serve to uphold the will of the majority, but divest it for the opinions and interests of a minority.
Imagine! Insurance companies practicing insurance instead of a protectionist racket. Far too many people never have to call an insurance agent in order to receive an insurer's entitlements and yet are denied any compensation for their conscientious efforts to diligently pay their insurance but never have a need for it. Insurance companies have for far too long run a protectionist racket scam on the public protected by Legislators who hold stock in one or another insurance company or receive under-the-table "gifts".
Imagine! A U.S. Congress not voting itself in a raise with a cost of living allowance that most Americans don't have. Everyone of us would like to have the elitist privilege of voting ourselves in a raise, but in doing so, most companies would eventually go out of business because their products would have to be continually increased that no one could afford them. Such is a case with ever increasing taxes. People are being taxed into insolvency.
Imagine! Peace on Earth and Good Will towards everyone. While the underlying intentions are supremely well meant, this is a fairy tale because some people (with position, power or pecuniary interests) do not want this because they would not be able to sustain their position, power or pecuniary interests derived from conflict and contention.
Imagine! Christmas celebrated without a single gift bought or given as a present that costs more than 3 cents, with each penny representing the (assumed) three Wise Men. Holidays perpetuated by commercial interests devoid the holiday of its "Holy" origins. It is an illusion perpetrated by the business community that making purchases on holidays is good for the "economy," where the word "economy" is defined as for the good of the public but actually means for the good of those businesses who have linked themselves with making a buck off a particular holiday.
Imagine! I've barely scratched the surface of all the illusions perpetrated on the public in the name of power, position, or pecuniary greed.

Imagine blah blah blah blah blah. Which part of it actually has to do with ZeekRewards? None!

As of May 10, 2012, those involved with the Zeek-Rewards program received a message announcing that there was nothing wrong and that the issues with the slow posting updates regarding earned percentages and bought bids will be corrected shortly. We were also informed that the company is expanding its operations to deal with increasing volume by over-doubling current affiliate services staff both in-house and in Atlanta and are bringing on an overseas branch in Mauritius to manage 24/7 inquires. For those of you who have never heard of Mauritius, it is an island in the Indian ocean.

So what? How does this prove it's a scam or not? 

As exciting as this is to current and want-to-be affiliates, the skeptic might well bring to the fore the question of why was an island in the Indian Ocean chosen instead of some country on the mainland of Europe such as Germany, Sweden, Great Britain, Spain, France, Denmark, etc...? If we conjecture that the move avoids inter- and intra-European/Asian political circumstances that most of us may not be privy to, this can be considered a smart business move. Likewise if the cultural environment is multi-dimensional (several languages spoken, intellectually open-minded, commercially uni-lateral in terms of practicing, promoting and projecting international business interests, etc.,) and is therefore inter-active with the multi-national approach taken by the company. On the other hand, if it was chosen, for example, to take advantage of a group of people living in an over-populated social environment where jobs are scarce and the community is particularly starving for employment, such a practice renders many of us to a state of moral uneasiness.

We don't mind a company making a profit and will readily applaud and support efforts to provide job-specific needs to fulfill the requirements of a company experiencing growth beyond its own borders. However, it is difficult, regardless of how much money is made, for many of us to condone company positions if they are legitimized solely on a business acumen that minimizes social issues we are globally sensitive too. We do not want any population exploited any more than we want ourselves to be, regardless if legislated laws sustain the right of businesses to do so under a traditionalized perspective that "if it is good for business than it is good for everyone... even if it keeps them in poverty or kills them." There is far too much of this nonsense going on. We all like the idea of increasing our income, but it is a horse pill of an item to swallow if we suspect we are being conned into compromising the moral standards of our humanity. Such a situation would not be an ally to reducing apprehensions that a business might be engaged in a short, medium, or long term exercise of questionable business practices.

It matters not if we have met a people living at a far distance from our own shores, what their religion is, what their cultural attire is, or what language is used to convey respect to oneself and to others; we are all inter-linked by a common thread. Whereas the actions of Zeek rewards could break this thread, those of us who have joined give the company the benefit of a doubt and want to assist the company in the unique design, development and rewarded dispersal of a tapestry that is not only pleasing to the eye, but has an honest functionality for day-to-day use.

The beautiful scenery of Mauritius in the following images not only makes me all the more jealously suspicious something may be (bare) afoot, but that the site was chosen because somebody may have been drinking from way too many little umbrella beverage glasses, and wants to return in the eventuality they must retreat or retire there or face the ire and wrath of Zeek affiliates... that is IF something is amiss in the economic penny auction alleyways; making jungle pathways a more viable excursion.

Blah blah blah blah blah. Discusses Mauritius, not ZeekRewards. 
--- Wiki travel ---

Is this a type of publicly decried ignominious "Off Shore" tax shelter or other evasion type of preparation in the making,... or a sound business move? Are we to overlook the connotation that "Mauritius" can be pronounced "More-itus," thereby describing an unconsciously projected image of more greed? Are we to be confronted by an act of fraud in the making or did the company overlook the possibility of what perceptions might prevail from such an "off shore" selection made via impulsive good-will, with the best intentions gesture? Such questions need to be posed because I for one want every single person who decides to join in Zeek Rewards to go in with both eyes open. You're adults and should be permitted to make your own decision, with all the risks shown on the table, of whether to participate or not.

Yet you are not even aware of the full picture, merely YOUR VERSION of the full picture. As Stephen Colbert puts it, you got truthiness. It ain't the same as truth. 

Furthermore, you are using strawman. NOBODY that I know heard that ZeekRewards itself was moving to Mauritius, so the issue about "offshore" didn't even came up. Strawman argument. 

With this said, let me also say that I am remaining as an affiliate... while being cautiously optimistic. Those of us who have joined Zeek Rewards know that there is no guarantee of income because it is frequently impossible to determine how market forces will play out. We are also aware that we are not buying stock in Zeek Rewards or its parent company Rex Ventures. Such accepted realizations however, do not mean we are going to blindly accept every company policy and move as being in the best interests of the affiliates or Zeek Rewards' future endeavors. While we may not have a direct line towards altering-for-improvement any direction the company may want to undertake; as individuals we can remain vigilant and point out, amongst ourselves, those actions and activities that are perceived as something to be questioned and considered as a personal counsel amongst ourselves.

The "everything is risky" argument... lame!

As adults we can all make dumb mistakes, but we can at least attempt to make informed intelligent ones so that we can blame (or applaud) no one but ourselves if things go sour, south, (or spectacular).

Blah blah blah blah blah. Does this really have something to do with ZeekRewards? No. Irrelevant. 

On the other hand, for those who are inclined towards religionizing personal levels of effort expenditures, they will emotionalize and rationalize any contravening intimation or thought which may attempt to surface when making an assessment of this new information. They are so emotionally and mentally vulnerable, that the presence of a comment which is defensively sound, must be confronted by a waiting- in-the-wings dismissivenes. It is because their efforts are attached to personal financial goals they have sought long to achieve some realization thereof, that their desire and their need to remain starry-eyed forces them to dis-include the information when presenting their promoted venture to one or more others. They don't want anyone to make their own assessment based upon anything but the same criteria which they want to present as assisting them in achieving their sought after goal. If any Zeek Sponsor is engaging in this activity, they are engaging in a scam by deliberately excluding information which would help you to make a more informed decision. Steer clear of them and find a sponsor who is willing to be up-front with you and thus be respectful of you as an individual and not merely view you as a means by which they achieve their goals regardless if you acquire yours or not. This is one circumstance where your individual opinion and vote does count.

Generally good advice, but clearly, doesn't apply to you, since you don't even know what constitutes a scam LEGALLY. 

While deliberately concealing, minimizing or alternatively metaphorizing "insider" information may be viewed as a sound business practice, it is the ethical standard of those participating in a psycho-pathology that is wide-spread and occurring not only in business, but religion, politics and day-to-day relationships as well. While some reading this will thus want to conclude it is "normal" behavior; it should be understood that just because something is common does not make it purposely advantageous to oneself or for that matter, the human species as a whole. Psycho-pathology specifically entertains a practice of underlying ego-centricity that becomes more manifest during dire or sparse living conditions. It is a savage reptilian-like predatory beast with its own desires as being preeminent objectives, no matter who gets hurt or what gets destroyed. Philosophically, whereas generosity and charity may be laudable traits of a person's character, they do not necessarily equate with magnanimity or altruism.

Blah blah blah blah blah

Zeek Rewards does not make any promises, only the acceptable/accepted business model game of providing an illusion of potential gain. (Like religions' Heaven or Nirvana and governments' "rags to riches" dreaminess that in America is called "The American Dream."). Let's look at a variety of illusions being practiced in society:

Clearly, you didn't join them in 2011, when they *did* make 125% ROI promise. Besides, the "risk" is never explained. 

Religions- you are provided the illusion that if you pay recurring tithing payments or/and make a practice of participating in defined-as charitable/humanitarian acts, you will receive "free" admission into a place called heaven or reach a good-as-heaven- like state called Nirvana.
Governments- you are provided the illusion that if you pay taxes you will enjoy the freedom of pursuing peace and prosperity... along with the illusion perpetrated by the "Democracy business model" that the government is Of, By and For ALL the people, when it is actually OF, By and For only a small minority who hold the largest reins in business or can provided businesses with lucrative government contracts. (Many small, medium and large Business executives and their contemporary ilk, try to evade having to pay taxes in various legal and illegal maneuvers such as having an off-shore account or placing the greatest percentage in the bank of a politically neutral country such as Switzerland.)
Businesses- you are provided the illusion that if you make a certain purchase, you MIGHT possibly acquire something fortuitous, enviable, better, helpful, larger, faster, tougher, more beautiful, more intelligent, more valuable, sleeker, slimmer, taller, smaller, smarter, more desirable, more convenient, healthful, more durable, tastier, colorful, rewarding, financially engendering, etc., ...and yet many of them will try to nickel and dime you just that much more by offering you an insurance premium in the form of an extended warranty that is little more than a protectionist racket that Legislators don't pass a law against; such as by either forcing companies to provide extended warranties at no cost or detailing a 3-year across-the-board lemon type of law on behalf of consumers. If a product is as good as is being offered, it shouldn't need a product viability warranty. Consumers are far too often made to assume risks under the old adage "Caveat Emptor" (let the buyer beware) that has become a standard law enforced business practice for protecting companies from liability so they can produce ever more illusions associated with cheap products.

Blah blah blah blah blah. Repeat of "everything else is a scam" speech. 

Penny auctions are based on a sleight-of-hand deception. Don't kid yourself. You are not getting something for practically nothing. It's not that some people don't get a bargain, it's that only a few get to realize a win. (However, the quantity "few" must be understood in context and defined as "thousands" when compared to the billions of people on the planet Earth, most of whom may not even be aware of the existence of Penny Auctions. Others don't have ready access to a computer, don't know how to use a computer, or require education about Penny auctions.) Nonetheless, most people do not win and only delude themselves into thinking they MIGHT win, even though they are unaware that they may be bidding against an electronic bidder set up by someone who is not even present during the actual event of bidding. It is little different than playing a slot machine at a casino. People with very little to bet with often bet against those who could careless about acquiring the product bid for, and only bid for the satisfaction of winning. And they have the funds to waste in order to pursue this activity. Yet, people do win... all the time. The "House" (company) wants to lose the product to every single successful bidder.

The deception in Penny auctions comes from reducing the appearance of how much money has and is changing hands, much in the manner of a penny-ante poker game where the host (the penny auction company) gets the largest percentage pooled from all participators:

For example, let's say you and one hundred other people buy ten dollars worth of bids at fifty cents each.
This means you have each bought twenty bids and the company has made $1,110.00 before it has even had an auction. [101 people X 10 dollars]
All of you have now paid what is equivalent to a required entrance fee (which is like buying a ticket to a movie and all the various personalized illusions it provides) which is nothing less than being given a privilege to participate in one or more auctions being offered. (In other words, it's an entrance fee, though some may prefer to denote it as an "in-a-trance" fee. If you observe human behavior closely, purchasers of a ticket to a show, concert, etc., exhibit the appearance of someone in a trance, like those watching a television program or sitting in a theatre.)
If all but one of the participants bet ten bids each (which is equivalent to $5.00 for each bidder [100 people X $5.00 = $500.00]), and one person bets eleven bids (which is equivalent to $5.50 [11 bids at $.50 = $5.50]); the individual $5.50 bidder wins the auction and the company has sold a given item for $505.50.
Yet the bid counter you see is only registering one penny increments. Even though in this instance each penny is equivalent to fifty cents, the overall display would only show [100 people X ten bids each = 1000 pennies + 1 person at eleven bids = 11 pennies, which is 1,011 X .01 (one cent) = $10.11. (or you can divide 1,011 by 100.)
If the retail cost of an item was $100.00, the company has made a profit of $405.50, and the winning bidder made a profit of $94.50.. However, this may not include whatever shipping/handling fees, if any, it wants to charge you.

Please understand, you are not lied to, but you are deceived by the nature of the overall business model that is a modern day version of "test your skill" carnival games offering prizes that cost a pittance compared to the amount of money expended in different peoples' attempts to wager a small bet. Like at all gambling casinos, the "house" (company) always has the percentages in its favor. But many people understand the nature of penny auctions and do not feel it any more deceiving than a politician's campaign for office, a church's usage of their teachings to "encourage" sustained tithing payments, or other tactics used by professionals and non-professionals alike to get one or more others to see or do things as they want, such as to return for additional medical tests, surgery or recurring visits to their office. Society is filled with houses of mirrors in religion, government and business that distort reality to give false impressions in an attempt to sustain an income, whether they be called taxes, tithing or temporary (cheap product purchases).

Analysis of Penny auction is mostly correct. However, major portion of the problem was left out: who are buying the bids? You the affiliates, or real customers? 

Distortions are frequently provided by expressing comments involving some measure of expansion; whereby affiliates, associates, customers, stock holders, and others are given the impression that their position, however defined: economically or socially, is not only secure but poised for growth. Affiliates, associates, (or church members or citizens) don't view themselves as a means-to-an-end type of financial fodder being used to support this or that hierarchical stratification; even though this is the same model all businesses, religions and governments use with their own specialized jargon, vocabulary and means/methods of communication. Whereas governments are supported by enforced tax laws, and religions use emotionally manipulative tactics surrounding "encouraged" tithing payments, businesses structure their inflow of consumer-customer-subscriber-affiliate-associate cash through various ideologically planted templates. The more levels they can add to a simplistic give-and-take organizational architecture, coupled by a labyrinthine maze of "easy to learn, easy to understand" formulaic channels of purposely compounded inter-meshings, the easier it is to conceal any below-board motivations that may (or may not) crop up if favorable or disfavorable circumstances arise.

By your definition, ZeekRewards, with one of the most convoluted comp plans in existence, may be concealing plenty of motivations of underhanded dealings. So are you going for or against the notion? Or is this yet another weasel talk? 

In another instance, Zeek Rewards is preparing a compliance training session going to be offered by their lawyer and is said to have a cost of $99.00 but (the many thousands of) affiliates can have it for $5.00. Whereas on the one hand those who join are told that they are not guaranteed any level of income and and that they are not buying any stock in the company and are called customers (or subscribers), the company then alternatively refers to them as affiliates-(cum sales employees) when it serves a point of discussion to make a buck off of them. Imagine a company requiring customers to purchase mandatory training! If the company feels the training is necessary and is compulsory, then it should pay for it like other companies who mandate training in order to ensure that the company remains at the fore-front of its efforts to gain the dominant market share. Zeek Rewards looks suspiciously like an organization beginning a practice of double-standards... but heaven forbid that any of its "affiliates" should have the perspicacious ability to recognize or define this as an hypocrisy, if you prefer. This is similar to the tactic used by many corporations that can avoid paying insurance or providing overtime pay by not giving an employee the law-stated requirement.

I thought it was $10? So are the affiliates customers or not? 

For example, let's say a state in the United States has a regulation that requires a company to pay for an employee's benefits (sick leave, vacation, medical coverage, retirement, etc.,) if they work 34 or more hours per week. For example, let's say a state in the United States has a regulation that requires a company to pay for an employee's benefits if they work 34 or more hours per week. The company then allows the person to work only 32 hours per week thereby subverting a law that is meant to protect workers. No law should have such a loophole and no legislature should allow such a loophole to remain open if it sincerely looks out for the best interests of the people. No company should be able to exploit the energy, effort and experiences of people by simply re-defining their role while receiving benefits customarily assigned with the "employee" attribute. Whereas it may come of some great surprise to Corporate, Government and Religious leaders, many of whom have never had a steady form of employment that required them to "punch a clock," most people are willing to work for a living so long as they are not being exploited... like so many of us are today.

Blah blah blah blah blah. Relevance? 

In another instance, that those of us who have worked in any capacity investigating fraud might hold in suspect, Zeek Rewards takes up to 14 days (depending on the method used to send money in— via regular mail, to purchase bids); to log the purchases into an affiliate's back office "score card." Alternatively, it says that such can be avoided by using an e-wallet, because this affords the ability to log the amount immediately. Yet what is not being said is that checks, money orders and bank drafts leave a money trail but that electronic transfers are more readily susceptible to obliteration. However, when an affiliate attempts to withdraw a portion of the money earned for their advertizing assistance, it takes up to two weeks to receive a check. The electronic means of transferring money back to the affiliates is not yet set up... for whatever reason. (Yet in all fairness, the usage of a check refutes the question about avoiding a "paper trail.")

Blah blah blah blah blah... Now that they're going all electronic, where's the trail? 

Nonetheless, in some peoples' minds, they might deduce the circumstance as thus: If I am a company working on a fraud scam, I will want peoples money to be more accessible and hidden from possible later legal scrutiny. This is accomplished by exploiting the greed of people who eagerly watch their money change hands and want to know exactly where their money is at any given moment. If you slow down a paper trail, and offer an electronic means of deposit, you can encourage depositors to give you their money that you post in numbers (without any government sponsored bank-like deposit insurance program), avoid the mess that a paper trail provides law enforcement, and sneak securely away by one day claiming the company is no longer in business due to low, inconsistent, or non-existent volume. Hmm, a Zeek Rewards type of American Savings and Loan exercise in the making?

More like Full Tilt Poker, but I have a feeling you don't know the reference. 

However, as of late (May 2012), to its credit, Zeek Rewards has slowed down in taking affiliates money for monthly bid purchases aligned with the Silver, Gold and Diamond levels. 

You got proof of this? 

Whether planned or not, it gives the "appearance" of not being greedy and that the "exchange of money" transactions is commensurately disadvantaged on both ends: Taking and Giving. Yet, even though this provides some of us with the reassurance that the overall process of money organization needs to be revamped with a computer program that may not even be in existence because Zeek Rewards is (unknowingly) pioneering what may become a whole new type of Stock Market Exchange system; there are some affiliates that are obsessively "retentive" and compulsively "attentive" about their money. In other words, if they're involved with something (or someone), it is an A to/from B exchange and that the introduction of a C component can create instances of undeserved sports bleacher types of vituperations.

Let me interject an expanded consideration of the previous thought about a new type of Stock Market Exchange model in the making. Imagine if you would, an event in which General Motors or some other non-penny auction company adopted the business model now being ventured into by Zeek Rewards. It wouldn't need the Traditional Stock Market to generate funds in order to spend its own money like so many businesses do and have done in the past. It wouldn't have to sell stocks to acquire capital for Research and Development, refurbishments, etc... It wouldn't have to waste its money on purchasing billion dollar television spots to advertize with negligible results achieved. (All vehicle manufactures are suffering from a "they-are-the-bad-guys" public perception that is being overlooked and denied because of swollen company egos.)

As stock market is a type of investment market, are you sure are you making the right comparison? 

Are you listening General Motors and all you other companies wasting money on forms of advertizing that are less than marginally effective in telling the public about your products? And just like Zeek Rewards needing a new graphics arts department to develop better banner ads, the advertizement industry could explode with the need of artistic talent thus applied. No less, the volume of computer users would skyrocket because of the need to have one (and an internet service provider) in order to participate in an affiliate program. Computer programming would have to develop a mathematical sophistication that the average person would employ in spread sheets and cumulative "effectuations" applied to their specific interests, which may be multiple companies instead of being attached to only one like Zeek Rewards. People would need a program to monitor their efforts and potential earnings performances with a great deal more "projective" sophistication than those used by stock monitoring services presently used, because they could be made to be variable sensitive.

Blah blah blah blah blah... irrelevant. 

General Motors and other companies could get rid of whining, pouting, breath-holding and feet stamping stock holders and be free to explore avenues of research, development and marketing applications that money hungry capitalists very often fear to attempt because they might lose a buck or two in venturing a tried and true necessity of risk that is so indentured, enduring (and endearing) in the American spirit. It is a spirit that many stock holders have locked away in a closet because their greed has risen to levels of psychotic paranoia.

A whole new generation of innovation could emerge and General Motors (or some other company with the right personnel) could very well usher in the beginning of a better way of life that all of us desire to have. And I'm only tip-toeing about the possibilities! Imagine if NASA started an "affiliate" program like Zeek Rewards! Did you say Mars? It wouldn't be too long before we had a space station and living on other planets in another galaxy! Surely there is someone out there that can visualize what a marvelous opportunity this is for all of humanity! But this wouldn't occur if you left the affiliate program in the hands of present day conventional thinking capitalists, be they bankers, Legislators, Supreme Courts Judges, or the Military/Corporation hand holding complex. They typically don't think creatively. They want to control, manipulate, burden, enslave and make everyone kowtow to their self-centered greedy whims no matter who gets hurt or what gets destroyed.

A whole new form of advertizing industry could blossom because affiliates are personally involved and will need assistance in their efforts. Not only do affiliates engage in daily advertizing efforts via different forms of written and electronic mediums, but word-of-mouth as well. And they can help to improve the company by lodging criticisms that are felt to be necessary for improving one or more products or overall company operations, without applying pressure via waving a stock certificate in the face of the owner(s) or general manager.

I can't believe General Motors or some other billion dollar company is afraid to try something new to advertize, generate capital, and re-invent its operational self to usher in a new era. Now don't tell me the big boys on the corporate block have become so S.O.P. (Standard Operating Procedure) fastidious that it is deemed unseemly to take off their over-priced suit jacket, remove their costly ties, and roll up their form-fitted white shirt sleeves? Such individuals reek of a 1700's French Aristocrisy... (now where is that guillitone?)

Surely there is some company out there that appreciates the potentials and possibilities of this enterprising venture. In short, dump the Stock Market and start your own affiliate program. Those involved with the Stock Market won't like it and some may even attempt to thwart the development of individual company affiliate programs, but the Stock Market is creating far more problems than its worth. Its long-term valuation stinks... stinks bad... stinks terribly bad. America (and all other countries) need to change their commercial market structure in order for it to experience the realization of a re-birth of industriousness. Every country on planet Earth is spinning its wheels in a uselessly costly oily bog.

Such foregoing contemplations are not negative, they are part and parcel of philosophical conjectures some of us take for granted as day-to-day typical considerations of various occurrences we come to pay witness to. If I spent more than a fraction of time on this I might very well find other things worth looking into, not only for the good of the "affiliates," but the good of Zeek Rewards as well. But please do not misunderstand me. I don't want Zeek Rewards to fall, fail or create a self-defeating fatalism. I want it and all the affiliates as well as non-affiliate customers to prosper. Quite often those who are too close to the "inner circle" of day-to-day company operations unknowingly set in place blinders that prevent it from getting hit broadside. Critiquing company policies assists the company in developing a peripheral vision that can be useful in correcting errors or short-falls in order to make itself more profitable by not projecting attitudes, actions and possibly "airs" that can give the impression of inconsistency and unfairness resulting in a stench that everyone wants to avoid. A company does not necessarily need to openly discuss mistakes since innovative attempts frequently experience trial and error efforts. You just need to correct them and move on without belabouring that which most people will forget about in short intervals of time anyway.

Blah blah blah blah blah. Talks about everything EXCEPT ZeekRewards. 

The critiques are not meant to be interpreted despondently, but as a topic of conversation so that others can make up their own mind by being provided information as it is known. Interpretation of information whether positively or negatively is one thing, informed fact is quite another. For example, many people that you, if having been given an opportunity to converse with someone without knowledge to their eventual departure for some military campaign; would have interpreted them to be intelligent and rational. The person might well have discussed war with the same disgust for all its horrors that you share and yet joined in the fighting themselves if prompted to do so through emotionalism and/or rationalization... called religionizing, (whether or not they call themselves an atheist or attend some religious service). The same with those prior to their involvement in a lynch party, voting for a stupid politician, agreeing to purchase a non-running vehicle, etc., etc., etc...

All businesses, religions and governments rely upon the reality of realizing their endeavours based on consumer sentimentalities that evoke impulse buying that they attempt to sustain like ocean waves through offering (Enron-like) illusions that may or may not have any factual counter-part.

Blah blah blah blah blah. Everything is a scam, no big deal. Blah blah blah. 

So, is Zeek Rewards a scam? Is the present expansion to an island the precursive move to protect increasing "Off Shore" Assets because it sees (and is planning for) its own eventual demise? Has it created its own personalized spread-sheet (like some affiliates have to measure future potential gain) that is projecting a possible "End Time" to its operations... requiring its upper echelon to position themselves in an Idyllic setting that they can retreat and retire to without fear of prosecution like a child's "Home-free base" zone in a game of chase that provides them with "you can't touch me" immunity? The "scam" in such a situation is that it would intentionally sell affiliates on the notion of increased operations expansion but withholds information understood to be contrary. And even though any company in such an exercise wants to absolve itself from accepting any responsibility for any potential wrong-doing by presenting disclaimers, such disclaimers should not be naively supported by any system of justice when the lives of so many are in the balance and should have on their side every consumer advocacy and protection advantage. There are far too many instances where businesses, governments and religions dupe the public into participation by creating or taking advantage of circumstances that make a particular scam viable.

More of that "everything else is a scam" rhetoric. 

For most people, there is absolutely no one to protect you from making a decision that one or more others decided against doing if the consequences turn out to be less than desirable. You do not want to be caught with your pants down. You do not want someone you detest to put a feather in their cap by saying "I told you so," and then watch them strut about like some Barnyard Rooster or Aviary Peacock. But most importantly, you don't want to be the person who encouraged someone to join Zeek by giving their meager savings because they either respect your opinion or follow your lead; only to have them lose such savings if Zeek should fail. You can assume the responsibility for yourself but you should not do so for some otherwise innocent bystander in or alongside your social sphere. Don't engage in the unethical 1%ers practice of duping another just so you can make a small reward from sponsoring another to join.

If Zeek should go under, you are responsible for every single person you have sponsored, particularly if you did not give them the responsibility of choice without engaging in some form of manipulative persuasion. Each and every single one of you must be provided with the opportunity (and information) to make up your own mind. Again, as for myself, I will remain cautiously optimistic. You will need someone on board to man the life-boat lowering hand crank if the rats begin positioning themselves to leave all the while offering incentives for you to stay. If Zeek is not a Titanic on a maiden voyage then you have nothing to worry about such as unexpected icebergs and you will reach your sought-after financial destination.

But for now, keep your life vest on, keep all necessary important documents in a water proof satchel by your side, and don't be caught in the gangways when other affiliates begin to panic and want to throw anyone and everyone to the (loan) sharks in a last ditch effort to save themselves from their own brand of incredulity.

For those of you contemplating taking out a personal loan to provide to Zeek upon joining, the prevailing strategy is to let the money remain for 90 days, take out no more than 20% (twenty percent) of earnings per day until you re-coup (regain) all that you put in, and then let the remaining ride out the ebb and flow of the current waters the company, as a ship, is in. Nickel and dime your entrance into Zeek if you prefer, but it is far more personally satisfying (for me anyway), to participate with conscientiousness, contemplativeness and curiosity as can be measured by my whopping headline making $10.00 (ten dollar) bid pack buy. If no one buys bid packs, no one buys anything from the fsc store(s), and no one uses the Shopping Daisy except for old and new affiliates, then growth will only be sustained by affiliate-supporting enthusiasm.

Why, that would make a it a Ponzi scheme!

I have witnessed those who become adamantly opposed to Zeek Rewards through a variety of impulsive knee-jerk reactions:

When a person with a negative or "dark" attitude (to almost anything external to themselves) is being confronted by a positive atmosphere being presented by those excited about the prospect for personal reward and increased potential, commensurate with the degree of personal initiative taken. In other words, they are quick to rain on another's parade, attempt to cast a shadow on another's lime-light, or drown out a melodic chorus with an incessant drum-beat of dire-consequence warning.

Or they could be the "one-eye man" in the kingdom of the blind. 

When a person who doesn't read often, has a marginally practiced critical reading skill, or minor reading comprehension/vocabulary, is confronted by a business web- (or other type of) page that is confusing to them either because of the language being used or that a particular language is being used in conjunction with what appears to them as a profundity of legal disclaimers they have difficulty understanding. (In other words, they become defensive when confronted by the unfamiliar... particularly the "foreign" language called "legalese.") In simple terms, business language with or without legal disclaimers is easily misinterpreted as something to be suspicious about.

Legalese is what defines legal vs illegal. If you don't care about legalese, like Howey Test and Koscot test, which are as plain as they can be, you are just plain ignorant. 

When a person deduces the word "multi-level marketing" as indicating a redefinition of the phrase "pyramid scheme" that has been attributed with business enterprises that serve only to defraud the public.

Pyramid scheme is closely related to MLM with one small difference. Do you know it? Or are you merely professing your further ignorance? 

When a person is drawn to the offering(s) of a company (be it a penny auction, sweepstakes, game-lottery, etc...) thinking they are sure to win, but are then dismayed by the surprize of not winning. (People become drawn in by the illusions offered by a religion, philosophy, educational institution, sports event, career type, government model, etc... and then become disillusioned because their exaggerated interpretation of expectations are not realized. The disillusionment may first turn to sadness and perhaps even depression that may then become a virulent hatred for the illusion-giving institution/company at which the person lashes out at. Unrealized expectations formed through a placticized mold of illusion can either be turned inward to create a myriad array of self-doubting thoughts and feelings, or/and turned outward either in the form of a rational appraisal of reality and one's place in it with respect to their present circumstances and attitude, or compensatorily magnified into an over-valued sense of one's ability to make "them" pay through one or more vengeful activities.

Nobody joins a losing business. The "fraud", if any, is in misrepresenting the business's level of risk and cost, as well as reward. You have explain very little about potential misrepresentation of ZeekRewards in those 3 fields. 

Zeek rewards could very well be or become a scam if those who initiated the program sell-out to actual 1%ers who want to take over (from their "level" of enterprising) because huge profits are being realized. If they don't sell-out, and those of the other "level" want to make trouble, they will no doubt attempt to buy legislative law making efforts to get things their way. However, let us, more soberly, look at the phrase "multi-level marketing" in order to grasp the reality that "pyramid schemes" are being used time and again by various entities, in business, government and religion.

As some of the top affiliates *are* a part of the executive team, you could argue that this takeover has already occurred or was always the case. 

Social Security- Whereas it was initially meant to provide a person with an income based on their individual earnings, has now become a pyramid scheme that provides payments to those who may never have worked, (too young, too ill, etc...), paid for by those in the employment sector. In other words, those on the bottom of the age scale support those on the upper levels of the age scale. The doling-out of money to those who have never or have only slightly contributed to the "social security pool or pot" has resulted in a rash of potential Social Security funding problems. It has also been used by the U.S. Congress as an ATM machine for other programs... Zeek Rewards can forestall such a situation by not paying out more money to those who contribute less or those on the "top levels" who believe, for one reason or another, they are deserving of a larger share of the overall earnings "pool or pot" without making commensurate contributions themselves.

Oh, not that "social security is a Ponzi" excuse again... Bogus!

Taxes- This is another law enforced "multi-level scaffolding" enterprise used to fund projects— from needed infrastructure, to back-scratching government contracts for many worthless projects, to providing Congressional legislators the "incentive" to vote themselves in a raise with Cost of Living Allowances and benefits that many of those who give taxes, do not themselves have the opportunity to acquire because the money needed to support such things is handed over in taxes.
Socialized Medicine- For some, it is needless to say that such a well-intentioned public service is fraught with abuse in terms of supplying medical coverage to those who have not or do not contribute to the pool of money used to fund this enterprise.
Consumer Goods- bought by one person or company at one rate might then be re-sold at a higher rate for a profit. For example, an automotive supply business buys a product (such as a battery) from a manufacturer who says their battery is the best in the industry who sells the battery at a profit-making cost. The Automotive parts supplier then sells the battery to a customer for an increased cost in order to make a profit by offering a warranty that will cost them nothing because the manufacturer provides them with a guarantee for replacement. The person might then sell the vehicle to someone for a profit by pointing out the new battery as an incentive for the person to buy. In this example, and all business models, there are increasing "levels" of cost and distribution, each building upon the other in a pyramidal fashion.
Whether it be called a religious hierarchy, philosophical inquiry or examination, educational grading system or degree status, martial arts belt color level, sporting events eliminations, television game show advancing, as well as personal relationship seriousness; we encounter differently named and described multi-level events. The "higher" levels are intended to provide greater reward. Philosophically thinking in analogical terms, this "one-upmanship" mentality we either impose on others or ourselves for assumed greater accomplishment, may be a hold-over from a primate past of living high up in the trees away from dangers lurking below, such as poverty, be it induced by social situations induced by business, government or religious practices.

Blah blah blah blah blah everything else is a Ponzi / scam blah blah blah blah blah

In the case of Education, it is no guarantee that the higher level degrees (Master's, Doctorate's) will provide someone with a job. A System of Education that advertizes that a degree from their particular institution will provide a job and better income than someone without a degree, or a degree from some other place of education, is committing fraud because there really is no guarantee... in most instances And depending on the degree, there may not even be the possibility of being hired, particularly if there are too many people with the same degree and there are too few jobs to go around. This is a pyramid scheme many systems of education practice as their business model.

As with any company, any religion, any group, any webpage, any television program, any sport, any individual, etc... If you look for faults you will find them, whether they exist or not. You could be an individual who denies seeing their own short-comings, personal failings or faults and projects such insights onto one or more others or entities, particularly if a significant other stresses a likability. You may or may not want to define this as a type of jealousy that strikes out against a presumed competitor with verbal assaults when affections you think you deserve, are addressed elsewhere.

Is arguing from ignorance also jealousy? Or just stupidity / naivete? 

I personally know someone in their early thirties who rants and raves against Zeek Rewards all the while several of his extended family members (including his wife) are Zeek Rewards members. It's quite comical to hear him denounce Zeek Rewards like an Evangelist sermonizing about what people should and should not do because the end of the world is near. All that have heard him let him spit and spew his denunciations like a rabid dog frothing at the mouth. His arguments are without meritable objection. If his pronouncements had some verifiable intelligence we would all listen. But the more he disdains Zeek Rewards in the present manner, the less credibility he is associating with himself which may affect future conversational content. He just doesn't see it nor get it.

It is also quite hilarious to see ZeekRewards members behaving like a cult trying to recruit friends and family with dollar signs. It depends on your perspective. 

As with any new company (my understanding is that Zeek Rewards is about two years old though its parent company (Rex Venture Group LLC. DBA [Doing Business As] ZeekRewards) is about 14 years old); there is a learning curve which includes updating operational efforts when volume increases. 

So in other words, in 14 years of running Rex Paul Burks has never experience much success until now, that he's OVERWHELMED by growing pains. 

In other words, some of the processes now in place need to be stream-lined. No doubt the company knows this and is working as best it can, under their present circumstances, to remedy the situation. Zeek Rewards is not immune from problems arising due to unexpected growth. This is the nature of a business program that is experiencing the frustrations which accompany steps towards a more mature appreciation of itself... Some of which must come in the form of re-inventing the layout of its many web pages, including the set-up used in the "back office." Like any living organism, Zeek-Rewards is experiencing business-specific trials and tribulations on its way to greater self-realization and actuality. There are definitely some things I would change with the present game plan, but I am not in an inside position to offer any comments with respect to demographic sociological considerations that should be taken into counsel because of our present economy. Perhaps in time the company will contemplate the same avenue of appreciation. There are a few "tweeks" to the current model that I would make in order to broaden its impact and earnings potentials for the company as a whole, which invariably includes each of its subscribers.

Yet you never considered where the profit is ultimately coming from... real customers? Or just you and fellow affiliates? 

Zeek-Rewards is an opportunity for those who have the courage to spread their wings by trying to do something for themselves. By all means. Be skeptical. Read all you can find on the company and make your own deductions all the while its believing subscribers are making money. Try it for ninety days. If you don't like it, then get out. But come in as a Diamond. Pay the $99.00 monthly fee via credit card (your bank card or a temporary one you can get at many stores) and send in a mere $10.00 via money order, bank draft or faxed check. Granted the mailed in money takes several days to get logged on to your account, but the company provides you with 200 points that are accruing a day-by-day percentage that will be added to your account after sixty days.

Spread their wings... Now *you* sound like an evangelical. Then you followed by "it's mere $10, what have you got to lose"

Yep, I know the information on the Zeek-Rewards web pages can be confusing. But don't dismay. There is training available called webinars. (Internet Seminar) To tell it like it is, some of the information reads like a bunch of malarky. No doubt it was written by someone from the text messaging generation who thinks it is an indication of their intelligence if they condense, symbolize and abbreviate. In other words, they speak a whole different English language and should be replaced by someone who knows how to express themselves in a get-to-the-point fashion. To this end, it needs to be said that any process, be it a business model, a government program, Physics problem, English literature assignment, Bio-chemistry chapter, Engineering principle, or whatever; that claims itself to be simple— and yet requires seminars (or webinars) to explain itself, means it is being expressed with a complexity that is too confusing for the common person. It the old days it was widely understood when a person was speaking with horse sense, was a snake oil peddler, or was playing with two decks, one of which was up their sleeve.

Zeek Rewards may well, someday, turn belly-up like so many small, medium, and large businesses have. But for the meantime, look it over. Don't be afraid nor confused by some of the nonsense jargon being employed to get you to join. It might well leave a bad taste in your mouth that you spit out to others about. Those of us who have joined will be glad to help you. 

By feeding them more of that jargon rah-rah? 

If we don't know the answer to a question, we will find someone who does. And yes, if you join up by going to:

--- My Zeek Rewards Business Page ---

I will get credit for it. But nothing is taken away from you. The company will simply reward me for recruiting you as you will be rewarded for recruiting one or more others.

Clearly, you are NOT aware that being rewarded for recruiting is a pyramid scheme. 

How many times in your life have you thrown good money after bad because of something you thought you wanted, only to turn around the next year and sell it in a yard sell, if you haven't thrown it out already? So many of us have wasted money in one way or another without the potential of gaining more than we put into it. In a way, Zeek-Rewards is a perpetual motion, fusion energy, and bio-genetic model... conversationally speaking of course.

Zeek-Rewards is not an investment, you are not buying stock in the company, there is no guarantee of profit; you are a customer making a Silver, Gold or Diamond subscriber purchase who gets paid to help the company advertize. If the advertizing efforts fail to attract customers, the profit pool will be diminished accordingly. This is not difficult to understand. For many of you, advertizing is nothing new. You do it every time you tell someone about a bargain. Whether it be something you're selling or someone else is. And that's what I'm doing for you. So grasp the reins of your hobby horse (whether it be a car, truck, motorcycle, bicycle, foot mobile, or whatever,) and mosey on over to sign up.

This long rant had a occasional bouts of clarity, but mostly it uses the "everything else is a scam" fallacy, and many times "appeal to ignorance" where it attempted to define "investment" when there's a perfectly legal definition called the Howey Test. 

The rating for this rant is a FAIL, for long-winded irrelevant observations, perpetuation of fallacies, weasel talk, and revel in ignorance of the real definition of pyramid scheme and Ponzi scheme. 

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