tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post3727878162297718741..comments2024-03-27T17:02:31.780-07:00Comments on A (MLM) Skeptic: WCM777 went for a long swim back to Asia, abandoned US operations, who is Phil Ming Xu?GuyReviewshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17270600804829601202noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-8473740227525939792013-12-31T01:22:39.012-08:002013-12-31T01:22:39.012-08:00The guy you see in Wikipedia is a former industria...The guy you see in Wikipedia is a former industrialist that apparently was jailed and brought out as witness in the Bo Xilai trial. This Ming Xu just happen to have the same name, but is NOT the same person. GuyReviewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17270600804829601202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-62383731219480574542013-12-30T18:56:59.156-08:002013-12-30T18:56:59.156-08:00my dad almost invested in this before I searched t...my dad almost invested in this before I searched the company. the first search return for ming xu is a wikipedia article talking about his involvement in political scandal. Then I read your article and it further convinced me this is scam. Great job and thanks! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-63240268649067929282013-12-09T22:16:56.228-08:002013-12-09T22:16:56.228-08:00Sorry, to whom are you refering to? Sorry, to whom are you refering to? GuyReviewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17270600804829601202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-17798937097417202812013-12-09T19:59:24.229-08:002013-12-09T19:59:24.229-08:00So why do not you post a proof of payment of the c...So why do not you post a proof of payment of the company? they continue paying right? 7 months?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-48225091738660511092013-12-08T03:11:26.768-08:002013-12-08T03:11:26.768-08:00Hmmmm... This issue is a real PITA. Checking Purdu...Hmmmm... This issue is a real PITA. Checking Purdue's grammar owl revealed that if the acronym (like MLM) has consonants, but vowel sounds (okay, "em" is a vowel sound) it may be "an". This is one of those DEEP grammar issues they don't really explain in grammar guides unless you go really deep. :) <br /><br />https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/540/1/<br /><br />I would have picked "THE MLM Skeptic" except it's taken. :D GuyReviewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17270600804829601202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-59166936354746670342013-12-08T02:59:11.232-08:002013-12-08T02:59:11.232-08:00Yes you do know the odds. The chance of you gettin...Yes you do know the odds. The chance of you getting a winning hand had been calculated ad infinitum. The house advantage is well known and rules are published and easily checked via public websites and whatnot. <br /><br />But the point about the odds are against you is taken. <br /><br />The point is at least you *know* in a casino the odds are against you... albeit by a slight percentage. <br /><br />In a scam you don't even know how bad the other side's cheating. GuyReviewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17270600804829601202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-78729477314999015812013-12-06T19:15:15.823-08:002013-12-06T19:15:15.823-08:00you do not know the "exact odds" in a ca...you do not know the "exact odds" in a casino. in a casino the "deck is stacked against you". and in the casino "you never know if you'll ever get your money back". you only hope you do so you keep playing and losing and playing and losing and your wife leaves you and you fall off a mountain top for ever more. lolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-42829793238041139042013-12-06T19:09:36.583-08:002013-12-06T19:09:36.583-08:00Don't want to be picky but he is right. you do...Don't want to be picky but he is right. you don't say A MLM. you say An MLM. M does indeed start with a vowel sound. Nonetheless that doesn't nullify what you have to say here. LOL!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-66862447256969143012013-12-04T03:00:29.207-08:002013-12-04T03:00:29.207-08:00Because you never know if you'll ever get your...Because you never know if you'll ever get your money back. <br /><br />At least in casino you know the exact odds. You don't in a scam. The "deck" is stacked against you, so to speak, and you don't know how bad it is. If you still want to play, well, perhaps the Wargames adage applies: The only way to win is not to play. GuyReviewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17270600804829601202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-10746485400603091402013-12-03T18:33:52.987-08:002013-12-03T18:33:52.987-08:00This might sound terrible and corrupt, but as long...This might sound terrible and corrupt, but as long as you're cashing out at some point, who cares? Make your 100k or 500k and get out. Simple. Greed is what kills everyone, not knowing when to stop gambling ruins everyone. Simple as that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-70116733669289860052013-11-26T22:23:21.534-08:002013-11-26T22:23:21.534-08:00I know exactly how it works, unless you're cla...I know exactly how it works, unless you're claiming that the majority of WCM777 folks out there got it wrong. <br /><br />Why, is the info you're about the share SECRET? Why are they secret that you can't post to the public? Are you going to make me an offer I can't refuse? GuyReviewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17270600804829601202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-60643345302526986482013-11-19T12:53:25.570-08:002013-11-19T12:53:25.570-08:00Please check BehindMLM.com for reviews of Lyoness ...Please check BehindMLM.com for reviews of Lyoness and Mannatech. <br /><br />I have nothing good to say about either company, and probably something bad. <br /><br />Such as... About Lyoness here:<br />http://amlmskeptic.blogspot.com/2013/04/breaking-news-lyoness-in-trouble-in.html<br /><br />And a little bit about Mannatech here:<br />http://amlmskeptic.blogspot.com/2013/10/ten-fact-based-defenses-you-mlm.htmlGuyReviewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17270600804829601202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-81534361272964329292013-11-17T10:09:47.956-08:002013-11-17T10:09:47.956-08:00Thank you very much for the Chinese article regard...Thank you very much for the Chinese article regarding the WCM777 you translated. I really appreciated your effort and time! I also have concerns about these two companies and wonder if you know if they are scanners too? The first one is Lyones and the second is Manatech. Two of the moms I met at the same community also are promoting/selling cards/products from these two companies and they have been asking me many times in the past few months to sign up as their sales rep too because they said you can make pretty good income while the working hours are very flexible which is great for a busy mom like me, plus I can speak fluent English, Cantonese and Mandarin so I can reach out to a greater market! However, after I did some research about Manatech, I am skeptical about it but then I also see this company is listed at one of the US Stock Exchange so I wonder how could that be if the company just want to scam other people's money?? I have read some arcticles saying Manatech's products are not as good as they claimed to be (I was told that their products are amazing, it can improve people's health, eye problems, body pains, skin problems, even certain cancers!). I think their products sounds too good to be true so I told the mom I don't want to promot/sell a product which I think it's not as goog as it claimed to be. But I still wonder why this company's stock being allowed to be traded in the stock market? As Lyones, I think it's ok for people to get their cards but not spending $3,000 to buy their units, though I still don't want to buy their cards or be sales rep either. Anyways, just wonder what your opinions on these two companies as almost every moms I know here in the community have signed up for the Lyones cards and a few also spent thousands of dollars bought the Lyones units and Manatech's products. Thanks for your time and effort, and please keep up the great work!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-72681605004925321902013-11-16T01:09:57.853-08:002013-11-16T01:09:57.853-08:00Ponzi schemes are everywhere, and they have follow...Ponzi schemes are everywhere, and they have followers everywhere as well. WCM777 has followers in Colombia and Brazil and many other countries. And let's not forget TelexFree and BBOM in Brazil / Peru, the 34 other pyramid schemes under investigation in Colombia, plus many many more in China, Hong Kong, and elsewhere. Internet is both a blessing, and a curse. GuyReviewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17270600804829601202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-54466349673558454182013-11-15T18:23:58.897-08:002013-11-15T18:23:58.897-08:00I really admire and appreciate the considerable ti...I really admire and appreciate the considerable time and effort you invested in this meticulous effort at pulling aside the multitude of thin veils that these con artists threw together to try and assign themselves an air of legitimacy. Well done! <br />SD<br />.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-6450802894802290172013-11-15T12:19:05.825-08:002013-11-15T12:19:05.825-08:00If they are Chinese, you can show them the Chinese...If they are Chinese, you can show them the Chinese articles I translated on this very blog, with label of WCM777 (see the bottom, just above the comments)<br /><br />http://amlmskeptic.blogspot.com/search/label/WCM777GuyReviewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17270600804829601202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-85419611427762611382013-11-15T12:17:28.631-08:002013-11-15T12:17:28.631-08:00Breaking news: Massachusetts just shut down WCM in...Breaking news: Massachusetts just shut down WCM in MA. See blog for details. GuyReviewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17270600804829601202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-87284578342670234882013-11-15T12:13:04.606-08:002013-11-15T12:13:04.606-08:00Are you sure you understand English grammar? You o...Are you sure you understand English grammar? You only use "an" if the next word starts with a vowel sound. Neither "MLM" nor "skeptic" starts with a vowel sound. Thanks for proving your lack of intelligence! Do come back some time! http://www.grammar-monster.com/lessons/an_or_a.htmGuyReviewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17270600804829601202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-1545313893843219872013-11-15T04:52:05.493-08:002013-11-15T04:52:05.493-08:00I wish all the moms (more than 20 of them and most...I wish all the moms (more than 20 of them and most of them live in social housing and stay at home moms) I met in a community here whom have invested a lot of their savings in wcm777 in the pass few months can read your article so they know this is a scam; However, none of them can read English and when I told them "it sounds too good to be true and it could be a scam", some of them stop talking to me. A few of them really regret investing $2,000 into this company but they can't get their money out and they won't get pay $32 per day any more if they don't put in another $2,000 after 100 days! And even if they put another $2,000 in, then the payment will stop unless they put in another $2,000 after 200 days!! Investing $2,000 and theN getting paid $32 per day everyday except the weekends and holidays plus the $300 initial return once you give them your first $2,000 sounds so good, and you will get paid more the more you bring in, so that was why they all invested into this company. Some said they are just waiting for the ipo which they said will happy next year so they will lots of money... By the way, they are all Chinese and I am Chinese too and I am the only one in that Moms Group who knows how to use a computer and google search about WCM777; however, they all have invested their money into this company before one of them told me so the only thing I can do was tried to find out more about this company and where they are located and how the payment or reward system work etc. Unfortunately, the more I find the more I believe this is a scam yet I can doing anything to help these poor moms their money back, and they said they were told they can not get the government know as what's being paid to them is not being taxed! And I am afraid if I report this to some fraud investigation organizations then all their moms will know it's me and would blame me if they can't make big money from this company's IPO in the future! I don't want to loose them as my "friends" as I moved here two years ago and they are the ones I see almost everyday; however, I really wish this scam can stop as most of these moms are not rich and have smalls kids and old parents to look after. It's just so sad this kind of scam can ruin some poor and uneducated people's life (most of these families go to the food bank for food every week and they live in the government housing apartments so the $2,000 investment is their hard earn savings and most of them just won't have more money to put into after 100 days so they won't get paid any more after 100 days and they can get their money out. By the way, I live in Vancouver, Canada and sounds like this scam just started here not long ago so it's still less than 100 days, and I guess that's why some of the moms still trying to sell this "investment" product to more people so they can make more commission as was approach by another mom who were trying to sell it to me last week and today another wanted to sell hers to me! Can anyone tell me what should I do? Ps: if anyone planning to do business with some Chinese company or people, be it in China or oversea, please be extra careful as my brother got scammed a lot of money even though he's a Chinese! There are a lot of nice and honest Chinese people, I just hate the ones who lied and scammed other people's money. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-26966783071276506502013-11-13T22:20:07.205-08:002013-11-13T22:20:07.205-08:00The things that people would do for money; and Ame...The things that people would do for money; and Americans are worried about <a href="http://usasecuritysystems.com" rel="nofollow">USA Security</a> Surveillance when these people are running their ponzi-inspired businesses on who knows where.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13280256085352783665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-4351875664965567412013-11-13T13:59:31.782-08:002013-11-13T13:59:31.782-08:00The fact that your blog is called " 'A...The fact that your blog is called " 'A' MLM skepic" and not "AN MLM skeptic" and that your first sentence in this article is "After paying for some PR with a local town call Walnut" (called).... all of your research and criticism is disproved. Didn't care to read anything else you had to say after that. Learn to write before you make a blog designed to criticize others.Jasonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-49690255366130057052013-11-08T15:24:46.210-08:002013-11-08T15:24:46.210-08:00You're lying about my lying. Why?You're lying about my lying. Why? GuyReviewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17270600804829601202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-54024606238216047512013-10-28T20:04:11.904-07:002013-10-28T20:04:11.904-07:00Heh -
Didn't notice it before but getting a ...Heh - <br /><br />Didn't notice it before but getting a good chuckle that the left door to the US Headquarters is actually a water heater door.. LOLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com