tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post4166953904253275295..comments2024-03-27T17:02:31.780-07:00Comments on A (MLM) Skeptic: BREAKING NEWS: Lyoness in trouble in home country Austria?GuyReviewshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17270600804829601202noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-5013975131316397132015-01-19T12:37:40.775-08:002015-01-19T12:37:40.775-08:00>>Only by generating sales can the marketer ...>>Only by generating sales can the marketer advance in the compensation plan.<br /><br />Or they can just BUY the account units, dude. <br /><br />>>Your writing makes it sound as if those of us involved in network marketing don't care <br /><br />There's no doubt that SOME people in network marketing are douchebags. it's just too bad you see attack on them as attack on yourself by associating yourself with them. GuyReviewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17270600804829601202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-51930882064511596192015-01-18T18:56:19.472-08:002015-01-18T18:56:19.472-08:00Kasey Chang, do you honestly believe that the MLM ...Kasey Chang, do you honestly believe that the MLM community does not police its own?<br />All you are doing is perpetuating your own misunderstanding of how this business is run.<br /><br />I am a Lyoness Marketer. I have made this a business for myself. If I see that someone else is interested in becoming a marketer, I explain to them that yes, they can make money by first building a network of customers who want to shop, and finding small businesses who want to be part of the community, all of which generates sales. Their marketing generates sales. Only by generating sales can the marketer advance in the compensation plan. Only by generating constant sales can the marketer make money for themselves.<br /><br />The key word here is "constant." I do not tell any prospective marketer to "dump" money into Lyoness, so they can level up fast on one shot, based on a one-time sale to themselves, and can sit on their butt and expect income to float through the door. Why? Because if they don't already have a system for generating constant sales, they will not get money after they advance. All they would be doing is hurting themselves.<br /> <br />Your writing makes it sound as if those of us involved in network marketing don't care and are dishonest. This is the myth/rumor/ complete ridiculousness you are perpetuating. <br />TJKhanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16429082253919309680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-50187238535122138882014-12-10T20:10:51.666-08:002014-12-10T20:10:51.666-08:00According the Lexology, any hearing won't happ...According the Lexology, any hearing won't happen until 2015. <br /><br />http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=75172287-149a-4fbd-b512-7a673c9d6dd4<br /><br />Enjoy the benefits, but don't pay them any money. EVER. :) GuyReviewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17270600804829601202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-76542100010133452322014-12-03T15:47:09.679-08:002014-12-03T15:47:09.679-08:00I also am trying to confirm that the ACCC hearing ...I also am trying to confirm that the ACCC hearing was dismissed in less than 20 minutes. In the meantime, I will continue to shop with Lyoness merchants and enjoy all the benefits as promised. Best deal at moment is Woolies groceries and fuel at 12% through Groupon merchant. You then get 10% off Masters and a decent bottles of plonk from BWS. A pretty good scam in my opinion. Also just got extra 7% off wifeys new watch from Prouds in their half price sale $ 900 watch for $ 420 !!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-37430581812072631982014-11-27T13:17:21.051-08:002014-11-27T13:17:21.051-08:00So anyone know's the way how to refund the dow...So anyone know's the way how to refund the down payment ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-35392555021725184562014-10-23T18:00:05.464-07:002014-10-23T18:00:05.464-07:00IN REPLY TO ANONYMOUS ......WHAT A LOAD OF GARBAGE...IN REPLY TO ANONYMOUS ......WHAT A LOAD OF GARBAGE. I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET MY $3000 BACK SINCE MARCH THIS YEAR. ALL LYONESS DO IS GIVE YOU THE RUNAROUND AND HOPE YOU GO AWAY. WELL I HAVE STRAIGHT TO CONSUMER AFFAIRS, ACCC AND THE MEDIA. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM ANY OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD TROUBLE GETTING THEIR MONEY REFUNDED AND DISCUSS A CLASS ACTION AGAINST LYONESS AND ALSO THE RECOMMENDERS WHO ARE SPRUKING THIS CRAP. ALSO ANYONE KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE ACCC COURT HEARING????<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-38442555071472320392014-09-30T04:46:16.015-07:002014-09-30T04:46:16.015-07:00Mr Papadakis, can you explain why in February 2013...Mr Papadakis, can you explain why in February 2013 the Greek Lyoness merchants group consisted of 2050 merchants and now end of September 2014 they are 2080? what kind of growth is this? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-57249123668140550272014-09-30T04:41:29.065-07:002014-09-30T04:41:29.065-07:00Mr Papadakis, you probably did not accept blackmai...Mr Papadakis, you probably did not accept blackmail by authorized members ordered the administration never officially responds on serious questions. I did received blackmail from one of your Lyoness big guys in order to retract a question about unfair/unjust behavior from Lyoness to a member merchant. Beware they will do it to you ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-4014269613225274212014-09-21T12:31:40.251-07:002014-09-21T12:31:40.251-07:00Lots of people never bother looking at the income ...Lots of people never bother looking at the income disclosure. They were bamboozled by the presenters / recruiters who use foot-in-door technique: just sign up for free shopping! then once they got some cashback, the recruiter reel them in with "hey, but you can MAKE money if you advance up the AC's!" <br /><br />(BTW, most of the companies that have to issue income disclosure statements look very much like it. I have articles on Vemma and Herbalife that explains how the numbers don't look good once you look closer)GuyReviewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17270600804829601202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-19550880463789969002014-08-22T10:28:25.347-07:002014-08-22T10:28:25.347-07:00The most non-sensical part about buying a unit as ...The most non-sensical part about buying a unit as down payment is it bypasses all the shopping. <br /><br />To generate equivalent of 1 $500 unit, you need to have shopped about 5000-10000 dollars based on the rate the bonuses add up. Or you pay pay $500 directly to Lyoness and do NO shopping. How does this benefit the merchants? It doesn't. GuyReviewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17270600804829601202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-55416001735861442462014-08-22T04:23:00.257-07:002014-08-22T04:23:00.257-07:00how does making an upfront payment for future purc...how does making an upfront payment for future purchases benefit you today? I mean is you pay $1800 for future discounts, they are not really discounts are they... as you have simply paid upfront for the supposed discount. You are not really getting a discount..you are juts down paying for future purchases... and that to me is stupid, as the price in two years time will have gone up by more than 10%, yet the 'discount' you get only comes out of that which you paid already..there is no 'interest' on your down payments as an investment? the only people making money to me is lyoness themselves. They may get discounts form big retailers for referring shoppers to them, but the individual shopper is not getting the discount, as the voucher he 'redeems' is from what he already paid for. This to me is a nasty scheme that has hoodwinked many into funding e few to get rich off of the masses. Think about this... in SA there is at least 3000 premier members who have paid R 20,000.00 and that equates to R 60,000,000.00 !!! Who is getting the R 60 million. Now I bet that they certainly have negotiated deals with reatailers to give a discount, so all they do is facilitate a voucher system making you think that you are getting the discount, but you paid for it already, but the retailer gives lyoness the discount... this is a huge ponzi scheme of epic proportionsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-74445575959647218652014-07-03T11:54:32.384-07:002014-07-03T11:54:32.384-07:00All that proves is they have not yet been declared...All that proves is they have not yet been declared illegal or accused of any wrongdoing. GuyReviewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17270600804829601202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-62314786538009886172014-07-03T11:51:22.581-07:002014-07-03T11:51:22.581-07:00If a company cannot prove its own legitimacy, and ...If a company cannot prove its own legitimacy, and must rely on a partner's legitimacy and its affiliates / minions to make such illogical arguments, then perhaps it is not so legitimate after all. <br /><br />People have made "X couldn't have partnered with a scam!" arguments long before you did. TVI Express once even recruited an Indonesian provincial POLICE CHIEF before it was busted in Indonesia as a pyramid scheme. George W. Bush once posed a photo with a fake "navy commander" who used that photo to raise million for a fake charity. Phil Ming Xu got selfies with Steve Wozniak and used it to promote his WCM ponzi scheme. <br /><br />So stop making nonsense arguments. GuyReviewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17270600804829601202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-198799024508194492014-06-29T23:32:19.969-07:002014-06-29T23:32:19.969-07:00It's end of June, 2014. Lyoness still operates...It's end of June, 2014. Lyoness still operates in the USA and in many other countries. There are mlm news stating there is an ongoing investigation against Lyoness in the US dated 2012, 2013 and Lyoness still operates just fine. So, they are legal after all?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-6071200139594935522014-06-28T23:23:36.137-07:002014-06-28T23:23:36.137-07:00What a load of BS. Lyoness has just been partnered...What a load of BS. Lyoness has just been partnered with Mastercard and a Mastercard debit card will be launched in Europe on Nov 8, 2014 followed by Australia in 2015. Do you really think Mastercard would partner with a ponzi scheme?? I don't know of any Australians who have asked for money back - only one who didn't understand it properly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-66540688952624145062014-05-20T17:32:18.995-07:002014-05-20T17:32:18.995-07:00Hi Anonymous, I realise your post is quite old, I ...Hi Anonymous, I realise your post is quite old, I am a member of Lyoness in Australia, would you have any info. or sites I might be able to see regarding Lyoness in Australia refunding over 300 members for their purchased units, I have funds in my account and I want to purchase Gift Cards to the value of $600.00 to purchase Visa Cards to pay my rent and shop out my position with Lyoness as I have always thought it was not going to work for me, being a pensioner I don't buy a lot of things. I am having all sorts of trouble with my recommender, and no help from Lyoness, as they say I have to speak to my recommender. Any info. you could provide would be helpful. I have a feeling I am not going to get the Gift Cards that I have already put an Order in for, I just want out..... Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-74029412719312815622014-05-20T16:09:57.164-07:002014-05-20T16:09:57.164-07:00You are hilarious. Nobody is talking about joining...You are hilarious. Nobody is talking about joining as a mere shopper. We're talking about "buying account units", i.e. "down payment on gift cards"... yeah right. There's bazillion credit cards that'll give you 1.5% back on all sorts of purchases. <br /><br />So stop making POSITIVE comments about things you don't know much about. I reported a news item, and so far all I am getting is rah-rah "you are so wrong" comments. <br /><br />As for who signed up with Lyoness... Did any one figure out Madoff was a crook? or Enron? How about Houston Astros who let Enron buy the naming rights to Astro Field? And had to PAY ENRON TO BUY THE NAME BACK? <br /><br />You don't know enough to argue properly, sheesh. All you got is a lot of suppositions. Find some FACTS to argue with instead. GuyReviewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17270600804829601202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-49599291804244541532014-05-18T22:16:06.426-07:002014-05-18T22:16:06.426-07:00You guys are hilarious. IT COST NOTHING TO JOIN.....You guys are hilarious. IT COST NOTHING TO JOIN.....SHOP JUST SHOP AND YOU EARN MONEY..THAT IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS......so stop making negative comments about this. Whoever started this thread its totally ignorant clearly. I am darn sure that MICROSOFT , HOME DEPOT , SUBWAY WOULD BE INVOLVED WITH A COMPANY LIKE THIS IF IT WAS A SCAM SO ENOUGH SAID ON THE SUBJECT.GEEZEAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-60928435767576909452014-04-10T18:28:00.443-07:002014-04-10T18:28:00.443-07:00MLM did not exist until FTC formalized Amway in 19...MLM did not exist until FTC formalized Amway in 1979. Please get your timeline straight. <br /><br />And investigation often takes YEARS. People have been warning the public about Bernie Madoff for over a decade, and in the end he confessed when he ran out of money, not because any one caught him. <br /><br />So right now, the official position is "we don't know", it had not been resolved. Please don't pat yourself on the back just yet. GuyReviewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17270600804829601202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-66244571869748009052014-04-10T18:25:13.968-07:002014-04-10T18:25:13.968-07:00Do you really evaluate an income opportunity based...Do you really evaluate an income opportunity based on what it will be 6 YEARS from now, rather than what it is now and what it has been? <br /><br />Also, they charge merchants for the signup and the flyers. So are you saying they are double-charging? Or are you just making **** up as you go along? Did you bother reading the merchant application? <br /><br />You Italians need to deal with FACTS, not wishful thinking. GuyReviewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17270600804829601202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-14679951000627311492014-04-10T00:06:34.191-07:002014-04-10T00:06:34.191-07:00wow investigations ... now its 2014, and Hubert wa...wow investigations ... now its 2014, and Hubert was in Wienna for sensation ... so i quess Lyoness is not a Ponzi scheme and the procedure was disbanded ;)<br /><br />MLM is reality, and it works for more than 100 years, and let me be critical about normal things in our life; at the bar you go everything is fine ... you get your cup of coffe as usual, but the waitress doesnt make the bill, and puts that dollar in her task, robbing the owner like this, and you sit there quietly ... well thats more of a problem to me, and in some zones its accepted normaly ... yeah, completely legal thing but the person who got confidence breaks the rules and does some black ... the same can happen with Lyoness, you may find a person pursuing you doing premium, and has no idea even where your money goes ;)<br /><br />CheersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-69073606987151577362014-04-09T23:54:05.243-07:002014-04-09T23:54:05.243-07:00Lyoness is just perfect, to realise where your mon...Lyoness is just perfect, to realise where your money goes u should participate some events and not just look at the posts, many i read it seems to me, people boutght positions, and those who refered to them those positions wasnt quite clear about them. Why Lyoness needs your money positioning? Offcourse its your choice, but imagine that all development costs, they have to make million friendship flyers, 10.000 computers with lectors capable to scan your casback card and transfer the money automatically, al this material must be prepared, ... and imagine when Lyoness opens up in selected country, there are law issues to be discussed, who pays those procedures? ... well in the end every country likes to have Lyoness developed, because there is less black marcet ... well depends where do we live after all ;)<br /><br />MLM is just a method of expansion, in 2020 all will be done, and you`ll get your cashback card from biggest chain organisations, or you can registrate on your own, i dont need sceptics in my lifeline so you can do whatever you wish, im searching for business partners! ;)<br /><br />Have a nice time all of you and greetings from Italy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-9619895615864338282014-03-20T20:39:15.546-07:002014-03-20T20:39:15.546-07:00The biggest problem, IMHO, is people not realizing...The biggest problem, IMHO, is people not realizing what they're describing. <br /><br />A shopping loyalty program is paid by the merchants. Why would Lyoness need YOUR money? You're BUYING a higher rank (accounting units). That's a PAY-TO-PLAY pyramid scheme. <br /><br />You will lose your money if Lyoness was declared illegal and assets frozen or closed. You are assuming it will stay open FOREVER. <br /><br />And what about ISO9001? That's just proving that it has a proven PROCEDURE. That's like saying "he graduated from Harvard, he can't be a crook". <br /><br />I'm not talking about the members, I'm talking about Lyoness itself. <br /><br />Once again, I invite people to look past the PR spin put out by Lyoness spin doctors and look at the truth. If it's too good to be true, it probably is. Don't believe any PR spin you come across, but to read up on all the material available, and make up your own mind, instead of listening to one side telling you not to believe the other side. GuyReviewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17270600804829601202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-54540951875363683792014-03-20T11:18:40.297-07:002014-03-20T11:18:40.297-07:00The biggest problem with Lyoness is not the compan...The biggest problem with Lyoness is not the company itself, but the lack of understanding among Lyoness members… It is not possible to invest in Lyoness as Lyoness does not represent a Financial institution. The “AC investment scheme” is nothing else than a partial payment on future shopping. Therefore it is possible to get the value of your units back in monetary value, as long as you make the top-up payment.<br />To do independent research, google the Lyoness scamreview-document and refer to the bottom section – the $3000 downpayment.<br />You can never loose your money in Lyoness, as long as you commit to future shopping. Why are no one mentioning the ISO-9001 Quality management standard certification on this blog?? We should really investigate in detail before expressing opinions out there…<br />There are numerous T+C’s that any member has to agree to online, before making these partial payments, also not mentioned here. Once again, I invite everyone to read the lyonessscamreview document and not to believe every critic or opinion.<br />Be blessedErnst134679https://www.blogger.com/profile/16672511392709313888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7600505010903219424.post-39369504954551618362013-08-30T16:52:54.964-07:002013-08-30T16:52:54.964-07:00Funny bumping into you here Mr Papadakis, especial...Funny bumping into you here Mr Papadakis, especially since you claim that our Blog is 'wrong', based on one minor inaccuracy you think you may have found (which you did not, more on that later), which was by the way not the result of any of our investigations, but of that of our source, to which we had clearly attributed this claim.<br /><br />As we pointed out on our Blog today, your math skills may be a little rusty:<br /><br />http://cc-lyoness.blogspot.com/2013/08/lyoness-finest-or-why-we-moderate.html<br /><br />"We assume your comment concerns our following phrase (which, for the record, was clearly attributed to our listed source):<br /><br />"In Zurich, Switzerland's largest city with 400,000 inhabitants and 38,000 registered companies, 40 merchants are part of the Lyoness network (roughly 0.1%)."<br /><br />We have had a look, and indeed, Zurich has a total land area of about 92 square kilometers. We also agree on Zurich having about 400,000 inhabitants.<br /><br />However, Zurich having a total land area of about 92 square kilometers, has of course nothing to do with using a 'search radius of 92 kilometers' on the Lyoness website. Perhaps you have picked this up in math class at some point - and if not, this may be a nice refresher - but the area of a circle is determined by squaring the radius (i.e. radius*radius), and multiplying the result by Pi (approximately 3.14).<br /><br />In other words, the area you have examined covers in fact 92*92*Pi= 26,590.44 square kilometers (or: 289 times the total land area of the city of Zurich, or: 26,590.44/41,285= 64.4% of the total land area of Switzerland). Some of the many cities within a radius of 92 kilometers from Zurich are: Basel, Bern, Freiburg, Friedrichshafen, Memmingen, Konstanz, St. Gallen, Luzern and Mullhouse. And 802/289= 2.77 businesses, so that should even out quite nicely.<br /><br />If you have used similar calculations to determine whether Lyoness provides a solid business opportunity, we understand why you joined."<br /><br />http://cc-lyoness.blogspot.com/2013/08/lyoness-finest-or-why-we-moderate.html<br /><br />The Lyoness Complaint CentreAnti Lyonesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00316924730390297155noreply@blogger.com